I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. Its more complex than just the composite positions. Venus is the planet of love which makes him lovable by his likable behavior and persuasive way of talking. Well it is a living hell right now! Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) The North Node in the 12 th House - Synastry. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. what can we do here? We all find our gods where we can and must. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). Natal Birth Chart Meaning. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. venus+mars, etc. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . The romantic nature of the past relationship is more emphasized which planets such as Venus, Mars, or Lilith in the twelfth house. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. I dont know if he felt the same deep feelings but I know he was puzzled by the sex. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. Hi Daw MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. venus all in the 12th house. Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. 4) Conjunctions to the Axis/Angles = very strong bond. Sometimes the twelfth house energies become lost, and we create false gods from what we cannot find within us (for example, those with Leo on the 12th house cusp may worship creative expression, but not be able to find it in themselves). Everywords pounding in me. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it My english is not very good. We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. Thanks Dawn! thank you for your insight, thank you !!! All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. In the end it was his choice to end it. Since your Part of Fortune is in the 12th house of your birth chart, the sixth house is the opposite house. )~~~a reader with Sun in Neptune and Saturn and Mars both in 12th house. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. Lilith in partner's 12th house may represent emotional outbursts, manipulations and obsessions. Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart.a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). If the Composite Sun is in the 1 st House, there will be a focus on this relationship. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. Thank you for your reply Dawn . You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! Could I ask Your opinion? Lilith square . I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. Yes There is a higher purpose to these relationships. This house is deeply spiritual by nature, as it is a composite of all the other houses. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). You explain the ineffable. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. In general, a composite Jupiter in the second house makes a couple value a life lived on the grandest scale possible. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. VERY-VERY SORRY! oh gosh do not i know this! I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. This is an ultimate guide to Lilith in the Twelfth House of astrology! I loved him from the bottom of my heart. Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. I am not an expert but this artical ssure proves the writer of it right! The Autumn Schedule is Here! (excuse my bad English) Hello, Skye. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. What is your thought on this. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. Hi Dawn, are you able to give me anymore insight or know where I might find more information about 12th house stellium in cancer planets are sun,moon,Mercury and Venus in my husband and my composite chart. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. Im sorry, but all of the aspects you mentioned can be used as excuses to pull you back into a relationship that has ended for the other person: in particular, the trines. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. I was heart broken all over again. Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. This will tell you the energy sounding the ending. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! Thank you, Dawn. Our composite mars is in cancer in the 12 house. Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. . And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. IP . 13 . Im glad youre enjoying it. What do You think about Davison Chart? They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. Me and my friend have composite sun conj. Just as the Sun is the Luminary of the day, the Moon is the Luminary of the night. We have had such a difficult relationship. Just a knowing if you will. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared historyeven if they are new to one another, it feels old. They recognize one another when they meet. I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. Thank you for reading and I hope this story helps reveal more about the 12th house in composites. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. It's a nightmare sometimes. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. The composite chart is probably the best known. My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. . I thought that because of the 8th house or vertex, I forced him to confront his own dark side. You will both be changed deeply by it. When Venus occupies the 12th house, it highlights a more mature and sophisticated expression of love. The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. The attraction was instant. It is SO powerful! Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. Id appreciate any information. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. I just am hesitating. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) I dont know why im writing you this because uncounsciously know this relationship was all about love and let go. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. hello, nice article Dawn. More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) I have met my match. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. At all. What do you think? We both have natal moon in house 12. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. The south node lies there on the natal composite. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. Our composite sun is in the 7 house. She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. Thanks for taking the time to respond. Oh the powers of the 12th house. thanks!! In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. Everything you said is so on point. What of mother-daughter pairs? Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. It is commonly thought that the Moon governs emotions and intuition, and it does. Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. 3) Angles in the houses & aspects. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? So much uncertainty and confusion!! let go or fight for it? What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. along with Juno. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. Chiron in 12th House Meaning, Chiron in Twelfth House Meaning. My natal chart ruler is the Moon and his natal chart ruler is Mars. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. I felt like someone kicked me out of my home. How that manifests depends on other aspects. . With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. IP: Logged. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. The person with the most crowded 12th house in history is Ann Margret, a Swedish born actor best known for her iconic Easy Rider bike scene and starring in Viva Los Vegas alongside Elvis Presley. Is Your experience the same? Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. Is it a dream come true, or a big lie? Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? I had a karmic relationship with a guy for 6 years which ended badly. I do use the Black Moon Lilith in my composites, but what she represents there is a whole article of its own. Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? This last chance element, sadly, often leads us to relationships that are destined to exist only to fix this thingwhen the lesson is learned, both these people move on. Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. That may mean leaving you behind. how this would manifest? . Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. Illusions yes I know. It can be in a subconscious way, and you subconsciously want to have all of the power and control. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. thanks Dawn for your reply. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? Lilith in 11th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 11th House With Composite Lilith in the 11th house, you can get along swimmingly as friends, regardless of the type of partnership. However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. Look at what sign the 12th house is in. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. Lots of greetings from Serbia. When your North Node is in the 12th house of your partner's natal chart, you will help the 12th house native become more spiritual and grow as a person. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. The 12th house has to do with summarizing and accepting all that has come before it, whereas first house planets are very pure, almost innocent, in their expression. hi dawn:) Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. Overall, this is considered a favorable Lilith placement, as it is . The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. We feel that our twelfth house planets dont work the way our other planets do, or the way that same planet seems to behave in other peoples charts. You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. Thank you for your insight. Transit Mercury in the 12th House Meaning, Transit Birth Chart, Mercury Astrology Free Interpretations . Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. Weve known each other for a decade??? Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction. Venus in 12th House Man. He is a pisces rising with neptune conjunct his midheaven. I don know what to do. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). You are great!!!!!!!!!!! hi dawn. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. Keteki says: May 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm . But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. Composite Pluto in the 12th House With Composite Pluto in the 12th house, you may struggle over power and control in ways that aren't obvious. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. This position can show one person makes all of the sacrifices and the other person takes everything . This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? Talking about Fate! Several weeks ago, my wife revealed that she has been hiding a secret life of crushes and short-lived affairs from me over the past 4 years. Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. The romantic synastric analysis is the interaction of houses between two birth charts. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. Lilith in 12th House: 5 Key Takeaways. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. They might be very sneaky and test people a lot. 12th House Meaning. Two sides of the same coin. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. Who cares? Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. All this seems to confirm your analyses of the other composite houses, as well. The area of the 12th house in which Black Moon Lilith makes a person experience their unconscious fears, pain, shame, and denial relates to their spiritual transcendence, self-undoing, and their ability to dive deeper into the mysteries of life.. That is why this article discusses a potentially enlightening topic. I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. this is honestly so beautiful to read. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. Also, forgive my double Virgo and the fact that I was once an editor: the phrase is unrequited love not unrequired. Sorry. Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. I think this is SO true . AT ALL. ? You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. I think the fact that were both artists gave this aspect an outlet. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. In the second house of values, beware . Having someone else's planets in these houses (especially the 5 th, 7 th, and 8 th houses), conjunct the Vertex or not, indicate a high level of compatibility and intimacy.

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